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Wednesday, March 27, 2013

2 Peter 3:8 & Einstein's Theory of Special Relativity


On March 26, Steve Hess posted to The Richard Dawkins Foundation for Reason and Science (Official) FaceBook page. I have copied the text verbatim.
I guess me merging einstines equations with the bible isn't science enough for you, what do you honestly know about quantum mechanics and cosmology?  And we are the ignorant ones
Followed by Mr. Hess's derivation of something again copied verbatim.
here is something interesting if you take peter 3:8 which mention's a difference in time and plug it into einestines special theory of relitivity you get this. here i will show you
EDIT: I miscopied one number -  7.5060981.
To save you the trouble of running to a Bible, here is the verse Mr. Hess is referring to.
But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. (NIV)
Mr. Hess is impressed that the Bible seems to predict the speed of light.  However, he lacks understanding of what the time dilation formula is about.

What this equation deals with is the relative motion of two laboratories (okay - inertial reference frames for the physicists).  If lab A is moving by lab B at a constant velocity then when the observer in lab B looks at a clock in lab A, he measures clock A to be running slow.  That is, if clock B ticks off 60 sec, then clock A will tick off a time less than 60 sec.
So if the lord is in lab B watching us whiz by at 99.9999999996% of the speed of light then he would measure 1000 years go by while we age just one day or if we are watching him hurtle through space with that speed, we would measure 1000 years while he(?) experiences just one day.


Lest one worry about the word theory which has a different meaning to scientists than to the nonspecialist, this is a well documented effect.  One well known experiment* was performed by David H. Fritsch and James H Smith. Smith, by the way, was the professor who taught me special relativity at the University of Illinois. They measured that muons, a component of cosmic rays, survive 8.8 times longer as they pass through the Earth's atmosphere than they do at rest in a physics lab.  The factor 8.8 corresponds to the time dilation factor these muons have by moving at a speed  99.5% of the speed of light.

*David H. Fritsch and James H. Smith, "Measurement of the Relativistic Time Dilation Using μ-Mesons," Am. J. of Phys., 31, 342-355 (1963).

Here's the original image posted by Mr. Hess.

12 comments:

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  2. Hi Dr. Priest!

    I was reading "Special Relativity" by A.P. French (link below for those interested) over the Winter Break, and the Fritsch & Smith experiment is covered in detail in Chapter 4. It a very solid (math required!) introduction to S.R. at a level that isn't too difficult for those with a genuine interest in it, how it developed, and what it's used for.

    Also, I'm not sure if you noticed this, but the units for years and days don't exactly cancel. This made me laugh because they don't just disappear; it's not like their radians!

    Jaime

    http://www.amazon.com/Special-Relativity-M-I-T-Introductory-Physics/dp/0748764224/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1364441206&sr=8-1&keywords=special+relativity+french

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    1. Jaime,
      Bring Fritsch by some time. I'd like to take a peek.

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  3. Why didnt you multiply 0.999999999992 by speed of light squared as you need to multiply it as 0.999999999992x299792458x299792458 m/s

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  5. At 99,99% speed of light, the length of 1 second relative to Earth would be around 19.6 hours, 60 seconds would be 49 days, 52 min/year, [x10] 8.7 hrs/decade, [x10] 3.625 days/century.

    1 day would be 275 years. 3.625 days, 1000 years on Earth.

    On Earth, 1000 years = 365,250 days.

    A thousand years is 365,250 times greater than a day. A day is 365,250 times less than a thousand years.

    2 Peter 3:8 "- a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day." and at the speed of light, 3.625 days equals 1000 years on Earth.

    i just realized this and had to tell someone.

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  6. oh woops i made a mistake, its 3.625 not 3.6525 im dyslexic. oh well

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  7. 3.6525 days would be 1004 earth years pass at 99.99% the speed of light I wonder how many 9th decimals you would have to add or deduce for 3.6525 to equal 1000 years

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  8. %99.999999995c (299,792,457.9850104)m/s would be 3.6525 days at light speed to equal 1000 years passing on earth then

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  9. to correct what I wrote previously, At 99.999999995% speed of light, the length of 1 second relative to Earth would be around 27.7778 hours. 1 minute would be 69.4445 days, 5.2595 min/year, [x10] 52.5959 hrs/decade, [x10] 3.6525 days/century.

    https://www.omnicalculator.com/physics/time-dilation is my reference

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  10. yes 1 day would equal 1000 years at %99.99999999962520799 the speed of light

    at 0.999999999996, (%99.9999999996) according to Mr.Hess above would actually amount to 967.976 days

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